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	<description>The weblog of Brighton-based writer Justin McKeating</description>
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		<title>By: Chicken Yoghurt &#187; John Reid: Appeaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicken Yoghurt &#187; John Reid: Appeaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have an enduring fascination for political speeches, their construction and the language used, their underlying meanings. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=378&amp;item=4558756832&amp;rd=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is the version&lt;/A&gt; I have which I found one of those ace second-hand book shops on Charing Cross Road. For &lt;I&gt;Politics and the English Language&lt;/I&gt; alone, it was one of the best Ã‚Â£4.50s I ever spent.

Anybody with a few quid to spare should bid for it if they haven&#039;t got it. (It&#039;s not me selling, I should add.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=378&amp;item=4558756832&amp;rd=1">This is the version</a> I have which I found one of those ace second-hand book shops on Charing Cross Road. For <i>Politics and the English Language</i> alone, it was one of the best Ã‚Â£4.50s I ever spent.</p>
<p>Anybody with a few quid to spare should bid for it if they haven&#8217;t got it. (It&#8217;s not me selling, I should add.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Collected Essays&lt;/I&gt; is one of my favourite books, and one of the most important of the 20th century in my view. Although &lt;I&gt;1984&lt;/I&gt; alone would be enough to guarantee Orwell a place among The Greats, it&#039;s his essays that in many ways are the most significant part of his legacy. For a man of such keen intellect and clear vision to tackle so many different important subjects is a huge service to those of us who follow.

He&#039;s like Einstein in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Collected Essays</i> is one of my favourite books, and one of the most important of the 20th century in my view. Although <i>1984</i> alone would be enough to guarantee Orwell a place among The Greats, it&#8217;s his essays that in many ways are the most significant part of his legacy. For a man of such keen intellect and clear vision to tackle so many different important subjects is a huge service to those of us who follow.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s like Einstein in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;In practice Orwell&#039;s &quot;plain style&quot; was a tremendous con: setting himself up as the free-thinking, plain-spoken Englishman, unencumbered by dogma or affectation, enabled him to present his opinions as simple common sense and tear into anyone who was foolish or malicious enough to disagree with him.&lt;/I&gt;

Or to put that another way, he was an excellent political writer. A short definition of good rhetoric is making your case seem obvious, indeed inescapable, to others.

On the &quot;Orwell was a traitor&quot; meme, I think it&#039;s a beatup. The body he gave the celebrated list to was the Information Research Department, an agency of the Foreign Office that commissioned anti-communist propaganda. The worst that happened to anybody on the list was therefore that they didn&#039;t receive commissions they would have refused anyway. And I&#039;d say there was a damn good case against communism in 1948. 1948! When Stalin had just got around to reinvigorating the terror after its wartime relaxation! The year of the coup in Czechoslovakia! 

More broadly, I&#039;m currently rereading the &lt;I&gt;Essays&lt;/I&gt; and it horrifies me that John Major got away with buggering &quot;The Lion and the Unicorn&quot; as far out of context as he did. And &quot;Politics and the English Language&quot; is a masterpiece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In practice Orwell&#8217;s &#8220;plain style&#8221; was a tremendous con: setting himself up as the free-thinking, plain-spoken Englishman, unencumbered by dogma or affectation, enabled him to present his opinions as simple common sense and tear into anyone who was foolish or malicious enough to disagree with him.</i></p>
<p>Or to put that another way, he was an excellent political writer. A short definition of good rhetoric is making your case seem obvious, indeed inescapable, to others.</p>
<p>On the &#8220;Orwell was a traitor&#8221; meme, I think it&#8217;s a beatup. The body he gave the celebrated list to was the Information Research Department, an agency of the Foreign Office that commissioned anti-communist propaganda. The worst that happened to anybody on the list was therefore that they didn&#8217;t receive commissions they would have refused anyway. And I&#8217;d say there was a damn good case against communism in 1948. 1948! When Stalin had just got around to reinvigorating the terror after its wartime relaxation! The year of the coup in Czechoslovakia! </p>
<p>More broadly, I&#8217;m currently rereading the <i>Essays</i> and it horrifies me that John Major got away with buggering &#8220;The Lion and the Unicorn&#8221; as far out of context as he did. And &#8220;Politics and the English Language&#8221; is a masterpiece.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar Wildebeest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar Wildebeest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, Justin. You really do deserve a wider audience.

You mentioned &#039;democracy&#039; in your post, and it reminded me of a passage in Brian Keenan&#039;s &lt;I&gt;An Evil Cradling&lt;/I&gt;, about his experiences as a hostage in Beirut:

&quot;Some terrorists wear pin-stripe suits ... they hide their terrorism behind institutions of law or social regulation that have more to do with control than liberation. This terror maintains the status quo and power brokerage in the hands of a select few. Democracy has become a myth-word. It has a magical quality. One has only to speak it and people bow down to it and worship it without knowing their own surrender.&quot;

That was written in 1992, for God&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work, Justin. You really do deserve a wider audience.</p>
<p>You mentioned &#8216;democracy&#8217; in your post, and it reminded me of a passage in Brian Keenan&#8217;s <i>An Evil Cradling</i>, about his experiences as a hostage in Beirut:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some terrorists wear pin-stripe suits &#8230; they hide their terrorism behind institutions of law or social regulation that have more to do with control than liberation. This terror maintains the status quo and power brokerage in the hands of a select few. Democracy has become a myth-word. It has a magical quality. One has only to speak it and people bow down to it and worship it without knowing their own surrender.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was written in 1992, for God&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: David Duff</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Duff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My cheeks are hot with shame.&quot;

Thank you, thank you, all this time I thought it was just me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My cheeks are hot with shame.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, thank you, all this time I thought it was just me!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Mencken is an absolute chap.  His chrestomathy is alongside Orwell on the left of my blog page...

I wanted to put up a post the other day of his best political quotes, but thought it might not go down too well with the boss...

I&#039;ll probably just hide it in the archives and add a subtle link somewhere... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Mencken is an absolute chap.  His chrestomathy is alongside Orwell on the left of my blog page&#8230;</p>
<p>I wanted to put up a post the other day of his best political quotes, but thought it might not go down too well with the boss&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably just hide it in the archives and add a subtle link somewhere&#8230; <img src='http://www.chickyog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point Justin and agree muchly.  Whenever I write something properly (so, not on the blog then) I try and keep the balance between forcing people to learn the odd new word or two and staying generally engaging.

Both things are fun, and thus both have a place, unless I&#039;m feeling exceptionally pretentious, or wanting to annoy Americans...

and my stolen contribution to the American/English political nonsense debate...

&quot;Political gibberish is not a purely American art form, like jazz and safety blitz.  But in only 200 years we have raised it to a new level of eloquence beyond anything since the time of the Caesars or even Genghis Khan&quot; - Hunter S. Thompson, Generation of Swine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point Justin and agree muchly.  Whenever I write something properly (so, not on the blog then) I try and keep the balance between forcing people to learn the odd new word or two and staying generally engaging.</p>
<p>Both things are fun, and thus both have a place, unless I&#8217;m feeling exceptionally pretentious, or wanting to annoy Americans&#8230;</p>
<p>and my stolen contribution to the American/English political nonsense debate&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Political gibberish is not a purely American art form, like jazz and safety blitz.  But in only 200 years we have raised it to a new level of eloquence beyond anything since the time of the Caesars or even Genghis Khan&#8221; &#8211; Hunter S. Thompson, Generation of Swine</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m eternally grateful to Orwell for blowing my mind utterly with &lt;I&gt;Homage to Catalonia&lt;/I&gt;, which told me that it&#039;s possible to criticise Communism &lt;B&gt;from the left&lt;/B&gt;. Obviously this isn&#039;t quite so relevant now as it was in the thirties (or the seventies), but it&#039;s still quite a valuable lesson in not believing the hype. Subsequently I got the Penguin &lt;I&gt;Collected Journalism&lt;/I&gt; out of the school library and worked my way through it - all four volumes in succession - and drove my parents mad by quoting his words of wisdom at them (&quot;George Orwell says...&quot; - the last straw for my mother was being told how George Orwell said you should make a cup of tea).

Then I went to college and discovered Raymond Williams. (His book on Orwell is excellent, incidentally, but I&#039;d recommend you get properly immersed in Orwell before you read it.) Both Orwell and Williams put their trust in the workers, but Williams was thinking of the people he had grown up with. Orwell put his trust in the workers precisely because he &lt;B&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/B&gt; know them - and he felt that everyone he did know had let him down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m eternally grateful to Orwell for blowing my mind utterly with <i>Homage to Catalonia</i>, which told me that it&#8217;s possible to criticise Communism <b>from the left</b>. Obviously this isn&#8217;t quite so relevant now as it was in the thirties (or the seventies), but it&#8217;s still quite a valuable lesson in not believing the hype. Subsequently I got the Penguin <i>Collected Journalism</i> out of the school library and worked my way through it &#8211; all four volumes in succession &#8211; and drove my parents mad by quoting his words of wisdom at them (&#8220;George Orwell says&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; the last straw for my mother was being told how George Orwell said you should make a cup of tea).</p>
<p>Then I went to college and discovered Raymond Williams. (His book on Orwell is excellent, incidentally, but I&#8217;d recommend you get properly immersed in Orwell before you read it.) Both Orwell and Williams put their trust in the workers, but Williams was thinking of the people he had grown up with. Orwell put his trust in the workers precisely because he <b>didn&#8217;t</b> know them &#8211; and he felt that everyone he did know had let him down.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nosemonkey: I&#039;ve actually picked up three Orwell biographies which is overkill I know but they were going cheap second hand. I got &quot;George Orwell, A Life&quot; by Bernard Crick, &quot;Orwell: The Authorised Biography&quot; by Michael Sheldon and &quot;George Orwell&quot; by Raymond Williams. Can&#039;t vouch for the quality of any of them yet.

Phil and Jamie: I&#039;m only vaguely aware of the criticisms against Orwell and I&#039;m actually looking forward to getting to the bottom of them. I know he&#039;s accused of shopping some communist mates to MI5 or whoever but apart from that I know very little.

Kathy and Katie: Well, I read the speech (another political speech  after Blair&#039;s and Brown&#039;s was a big ask) and I have to admit it was a good one. Even allowing for the lack of context and his delivery it&#039;s as good an evocation of the American Dream as you&#039;re likely to hear without the common  descent into the unthinking saccharine (see W&#039;s folksy downhome routine) that us cynical Brits detest. 

Paul: I know what you mean about using a wider vocabulary but I also remember what a teacher told when I was a kid: just because he was more educated than we were didn&#039;t make him more intelligent. The idea of getting (semi-)complex ideas across in a simpler way to people who can understand and consider them but don&#039;t necessarily have the educational background or possess a wider vocabulary is a seductive one for me. Not least because you&#039;re able to share ideas with a wider audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nosemonkey: I&#8217;ve actually picked up three Orwell biographies which is overkill I know but they were going cheap second hand. I got &#8220;George Orwell, A Life&#8221; by Bernard Crick, &#8220;Orwell: The Authorised Biography&#8221; by Michael Sheldon and &#8220;George Orwell&#8221; by Raymond Williams. Can&#8217;t vouch for the quality of any of them yet.</p>
<p>Phil and Jamie: I&#8217;m only vaguely aware of the criticisms against Orwell and I&#8217;m actually looking forward to getting to the bottom of them. I know he&#8217;s accused of shopping some communist mates to MI5 or whoever but apart from that I know very little.</p>
<p>Kathy and Katie: Well, I read the speech (another political speech  after Blair&#8217;s and Brown&#8217;s was a big ask) and I have to admit it was a good one. Even allowing for the lack of context and his delivery it&#8217;s as good an evocation of the American Dream as you&#8217;re likely to hear without the common  descent into the unthinking saccharine (see W&#8217;s folksy downhome routine) that us cynical Brits detest. </p>
<p>Paul: I know what you mean about using a wider vocabulary but I also remember what a teacher told when I was a kid: just because he was more educated than we were didn&#8217;t make him more intelligent. The idea of getting (semi-)complex ideas across in a simpler way to people who can understand and consider them but don&#8217;t necessarily have the educational background or possess a wider vocabulary is a seductive one for me. Not least because you&#8217;re able to share ideas with a wider audience.</p>
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