From under stones…
Well, it didn’t take long. Some prick on Nosemonkey’s live blog is talking about burning Finsbury Mosque.
Some arshole called Bart from Kansas had this to say over on Tim Worstall’s coverage:
IRA, AQ, FARC, anti-globalists, tranzis … whatever. It doesn’t matter. This will continue until all such vermin are crushed in their holes. We’re definitely in this together.
Bury your dead. Keep on with the job. Oh, and ask your leftist friends just how far they think they can retreat from evil.
With bodies still lying in the streets, this kind of shit needs stamping on. get over there and express yourself.
UPDATE: More turds from Mike from NY over at Nosemonkey’s place:
You Brits need to wise up. Of course this is the work of a few “extremist” muslims, and the majority are “peaceful” and will “condemn” the attacks, but that is all smoke and mirrors - DECEPTION.
They all send money and support, they will take over your country and make your dhimmitude formal.
Set an example and hang some Dune Coons from the tower gates!
If this kind of crap is your thing then bugger off and don’t come back - I don’t want your traffic.
Posted on July 7th, 2005 at 1:15 pm
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Steve Gilliard:
So Porter Goss knows where Bin Laden is? He might well fucking decide to go get him now.
George Bush decided to place a significant number of this country’s resources and effort into Iraq. Every Delta Force member, every CIA paramilitary and officer in Iraq, is one which is not hunting the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Central and South Asia. In the two years we have been bringing democracy training terrorists in Iraq, Al Qaeda has attacked our allies in Iraq at home, first the Spanish, now the British. This is no surprise, since it has been expected for years that the British would be attacked in some way.
The thing is that these were probably suicide bombers, since the British have been security concisous since the 1970’s and leaving bombs like they did in Spain, is unlikely.
Also, the scale of the attack indicates that the bombers have learned to attack mulitple points. Now, Special Branch and MI-5 are crashing in doors or soon will be, and it will seem obvious after they get finished, but there is no country where this can be prevented. Terrorists attack the unaware.
And of course, our ineffectual right wing, who, like teenage girls, like the fashion of the moment, will call for something ot be done, but because Iraq hangs around our neck like a massive security albatross, Al Qaeda has freedom of movement and there is little to do. If Osama had a couple of divisions chasing his ass, this wouldn’t be happening. Or at least we wouldn’t be seeing him on video in the next few weeks gloating.
What will we do? Arrest a few naive, angry young men, toss them in jail, and have American idiots blather about “Islamofascism” and puff their chests up, while keeping their kids safe at home. AQ knows the content of the character and it is that they will fight for nothing, do nothing, except talk. They blather and whine, and America’s real enemies see this and understand this. When these cowards talk of the right to their opinion while not serving, people see that, they understand that, and they see how willing we are to leave Afghanistan to molder. Unlike the fantasists in London and Washington, AQ has a firmer grasp on what they can and cannot do. And it is cheap to blow up buses and trains with a little explosive. I can only hope it isn’t Iraqi RDX in the bombs.
We also need to seriously question our “security state” which checks for shoe bombs and pen knives and allows Islamic radicals to plot bombings in London. This is the kind of nonsense which gets people killed.
There was movie which aired earlier this year called Dirty Bomb, which potrayed the use of radiological bombs in central London. Well, except for the radiolocgical part, the same shit just happened for real.
But the problem with the US/UK approach to the “war on terror” is that military approaches are short term solutions. We need political solutions. Bush and his team act as if we can corner and kill and idea, which is what terrorism is. It is an idea, an idea on how to achieve political ends. Until we supplant that idea with something else, and neutralize its appeal, this is the kind of attack we can expect to have to live with. They don’t ever have to attack the United States again to make their point in an age of the internet and world wide cable networks.
Jesus! So the KKK is alive and well then! As I’m sure Steve said at some point, ’stamping’ on the problem will just aggrivate the ‘extremists,’ although I feel their demands are unacceptable. So it comes down to the problem of how to tackle this. We can either bomb the living shit out of anyone who might possibly be involved, or we can be intelligent, unamerican, and use the formidable weapon of discourse. At any rate, the argument for ID cards has just been helped somewhat.
I’m with you on this, Justin. The bombings must not be hijacked by the other extreme to continue their persecution of entire races/religions/countries.
It’s also disrespectful to those who have only just begun to mourn.
akatsuki
Some guy from New York says:
…the majority are “peaceful” and will “condemn” the attacks, but that is all smoke and mirrors - DECEPTION.
They all send money and support…
Not like those NY Oirish-Americans who coughed up with a few dollars every St Patricks day for our very own home-bred terrorists eh?
Lord almighty, when I hear statements from a top police officer saying “As far as I am concerned, ‘Islamic’ and ‘terrorism’ do not go together..” (who does he thinj did this, the The Militant wing of the WI? The Tufty Club? The French Olympic committee?)I wonder what ever happened to my country.
Then I read comments like ’stamping’ on the problem will just aggrivate the ‘extremists,’ Let’s all sit around over a cup of tea and give the terrorists a bloody good talking to……….Well sir, the extremists are already aggravated enough!!
Stuart, I myself would put money on these vile attacks being the work of disaffected Islamic fanatics.
However, it’s worth bearing in mind that the last bombing campaign in London wasn’t. It wasn’t even by the IRA. It was some racist lunatic from England who hated gays and foreigners (as close as the UK has come to a Unabomber / Tim McVeigh).
Yes, today’s tragedy is way beyond the capability of someone like that (I hope!) but it should give us all pause for thought before we leap to conclusions or start insisting that “Islamic” is the most appropriate word to place before “terrorist”.
Stuart,
These things are won by keeping civilization going, and so far at least, you’re not helping the cause.
Dhimmitude: the Islamic system of governing populations conquered by jihad wars, encompassing all of the demographic, ethnic, and religious aspects of the political system. The word “dhimmitude” as a historical concept, was coined by Bat Ye’or in 1983 to describe the legal and social conditions of Jews and Christians subjected to Islamic rule. The word “dhimmitude” comes from dhimmi, an Arabic word meaning “protected”. Dhimmi was the name applied by the Arab-Muslim conquerors to indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination. Islamic conquests expanded over vast territories in Africa, Europe and Asia, for over a millennium (638-1683). The Muslim empire incorporated numerous varied peoples which had their own religion, culture, language and civilization. For centuries, these indigenous, pre-Islamic peoples constituted the great majority of the population of the Islamic lands. Although these populations differed, they were ruled by the same type of laws, based on the shari’a.
This similarity, which includes also regional variations, has created a uniform civilization developed throughout the centuries by all non-Muslim indigenous people, who were vanquished by a jihad-war and governed by shari’a law. It is this civilization which is called dhimmitude. It is characterized by the different strategies developed by each dhimmi group to survive as non-Muslim entity in their Islamized countries. Dhimmitude is not exclusively concerned with Muslim history and civilization. Rather it investigates the history of those non-Muslim peoples conquered and colonized by jihad.
Dhimmitude encompasses the relationship of Muslims and non-Muslims at the theological, social, political and economical levels. It also incorporates the relationship between the numerous ethno-religious dhimmi groups and the type of mentality that they have developed out of their particular historical condition which lasted for centuries, even in some Muslim countries, till today.
Dhimmitude is an entire integrated system, based on Islamic theology. It cannot be judged from the circumstantial position of any one community, at a given time and in a given place. Dhimmitude must be appraised according to its laws and customs, irrespectively of circumstances and political contingencies.