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		<title>By: Comment is free</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2006/04/06/backing-blair-back-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4534</link>
		<dc:creator>Comment is free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 10:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Schooled in scandal...&lt;/strong&gt;

Iain Dale and Guido Fawkes&#039;s timely litany of New Labour&#039;s failings overemphasises the same sins that brought down the Tories....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Schooled in scandal&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Iain Dale and Guido Fawkes&#8217;s timely litany of New Labour&#8217;s failings overemphasises the same sins that brought down the Tories&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Make My Vote Count</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2006/04/06/backing-blair-back-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4420</link>
		<dc:creator>Make My Vote Count</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Charlie Falconer&#039;s broken record...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lord Falconer, who is reviewing voting systems, was cool on the commission&#039;s call for proportional representation at Westminster, saying there were &quot;no plans&quot; for reform before the next general election. He argued that the first-past-the-post system...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Charlie Falconer&#8217;s broken record&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Lord Falconer, who is reviewing voting systems, was cool on the commission&#8217;s call for proportional representation at Westminster, saying there were &#8220;no plans&#8221; for reform before the next general election. He argued that the first-past-the-post system&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2006/04/06/backing-blair-back-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3207</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just Labour voters feeling let down. I can&#039;t bring myself to re-vote Liberal Democrat, (they have alienated young voters by electing Menzies as leader) might consider Conservatives sometime in the future, and I have an innate dislike of Labour. 


None of the above. [X]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just Labour voters feeling let down. I can&#8217;t bring myself to re-vote Liberal Democrat, (they have alienated young voters by electing Menzies as leader) might consider Conservatives sometime in the future, and I have an innate dislike of Labour. </p>
<p>None of the above. [X]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Paul&lt;/b&gt; (Make My Vote Count) and &lt;b&gt;Davide&lt;/b&gt;... I&#039;ve just posted this comment over at MMVC, but figured it was worth reproducing here in the hope it adds something to the debate...

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The problem - as I see it - with abstention is the fact that it so often gets painted as &quot;voter apathy&quot; which irritates me. I don&#039;t want to give the impression that I &quot;can&#039;t be bothered&quot; voting... a message which actually reinforces the willingness of politicians to act in their own interest (&quot;Well, if they can&#039;t be bothered telling us what they want, then we&#039;ll just have to give them what &lt;em&gt;we&lt;/em&gt; want!&quot;)

Of course, spoiling your vote with &quot;None of the above&quot; can get you lumped in with morons who don&#039;t know how to use a ballot paper.

However if you manage to mobilise enough people to write &quot;None of The Above&quot;, there will be a massive (relative) increase in the number of spoilt papers. Whereas if you campaign for abstentions; even if your campaign is successful it will only register as a small percentage increase in the number of stay-at-homes, as that&#039;s already a very large number (especially in the locals).

So as a political tactic designed to make a statement, a campaign to spoil ballots has a far greater change of success (statistically speaking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Paul</b> (Make My Vote Count) and <b>Davide</b>&#8230; I&#8217;ve just posted this comment over at MMVC, but figured it was worth reproducing here in the hope it adds something to the debate&#8230;</p>
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<p>The problem &#8211; as I see it &#8211; with abstention is the fact that it so often gets painted as &#8220;voter apathy&#8221; which irritates me. I don&#8217;t want to give the impression that I &#8220;can&#8217;t be bothered&#8221; voting&#8230; a message which actually reinforces the willingness of politicians to act in their own interest (&#8220;Well, if they can&#8217;t be bothered telling us what they want, then we&#8217;ll just have to give them what <em>we</em> want!&#8221;)</p>
<p>Of course, spoiling your vote with &#8220;None of the above&#8221; can get you lumped in with morons who don&#8217;t know how to use a ballot paper.</p>
<p>However if you manage to mobilise enough people to write &#8220;None of The Above&#8221;, there will be a massive (relative) increase in the number of spoilt papers. Whereas if you campaign for abstentions; even if your campaign is successful it will only register as a small percentage increase in the number of stay-at-homes, as that&#8217;s already a very large number (especially in the locals).</p>
<p>So as a political tactic designed to make a statement, a campaign to spoil ballots has a far greater change of success (statistically speaking).</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2006/04/06/backing-blair-back-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3202</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Luis:&lt;/b&gt; Excuse me? Why does &quot;I would have some better politicians&quot; not count? This blog and many like it are monuments to the fact that many of us wouldn&#039;t trust this Government to run a provincial rotary club let alone the fourth largest economy in the world. And there&#039;s masses of evidence to back us up.

It&#039;s the rancid personalities at the top of the tree that are largely responsible for political disengagement. Do the phrases &quot;sofa government&quot;, &quot;kitchen cabinet&quot; (that one not invented by Blair, I hasten to add.) and &quot;presidential style&quot; mean nothing to you?

Still, if you insist on shaping the debate, how about...

As &lt;b&gt;MatGB&lt;/b&gt; says, how about a more representative electoral system? What about political parties being funded by their membership meaning the high commands must engage with and act on the needs and ideas of the grassroots - a return to bottom up policy making? If you were solely reliant on your members for your cash you&#039;re going to have to relearn how to listen pretty damn quick.

And how about some level of direct democracy as in places like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.swissworld.org/dvd_rom/eng/direct_democracy_2004/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Switzerland&lt;/a&gt;? Allow the people to make real decisions about issues that affect them. 

Giving people more opportunities to engage gives them less excuses to opt out. If politics isn&#039;t to be constricted in it&#039;s ever tightening bubble, people must more input other than the right to turn up every four years to rubber stamp the agenda (which you only may partially agree with) of a largely deaf political parties.

&lt;b&gt;Will:&lt;/b&gt; That&#039;s a fair point about the protest vote. The thing is that Lib Dem policy can vary so wildly from council to council that it&#039;s difficult to spot the over-arching strategy. How would you define a recognisably Lib Dem council?

You&#039;re right that (would-be) councillors should be judged on their manifestos but how many people take the time? Don&#039;t the majority of people who bother to vote in local elections vote along tribal lines anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Luis:</b> Excuse me? Why does &#8220;I would have some better politicians&#8221; not count? This blog and many like it are monuments to the fact that many of us wouldn&#8217;t trust this Government to run a provincial rotary club let alone the fourth largest economy in the world. And there&#8217;s masses of evidence to back us up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the rancid personalities at the top of the tree that are largely responsible for political disengagement. Do the phrases &#8220;sofa government&#8221;, &#8220;kitchen cabinet&#8221; (that one not invented by Blair, I hasten to add.) and &#8220;presidential style&#8221; mean nothing to you?</p>
<p>Still, if you insist on shaping the debate, how about&#8230;</p>
<p>As <b>MatGB</b> says, how about a more representative electoral system? What about political parties being funded by their membership meaning the high commands must engage with and act on the needs and ideas of the grassroots &#8211; a return to bottom up policy making? If you were solely reliant on your members for your cash you&#8217;re going to have to relearn how to listen pretty damn quick.</p>
<p>And how about some level of direct democracy as in places like <a href="http://www.swissworld.org/dvd_rom/eng/direct_democracy_2004/index.html">Switzerland</a>? Allow the people to make real decisions about issues that affect them. </p>
<p>Giving people more opportunities to engage gives them less excuses to opt out. If politics isn&#8217;t to be constricted in it&#8217;s ever tightening bubble, people must more input other than the right to turn up every four years to rubber stamp the agenda (which you only may partially agree with) of a largely deaf political parties.</p>
<p><b>Will:</b> That&#8217;s a fair point about the protest vote. The thing is that Lib Dem policy can vary so wildly from council to council that it&#8217;s difficult to spot the over-arching strategy. How would you define a recognisably Lib Dem council?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that (would-be) councillors should be judged on their manifestos but how many people take the time? Don&#8217;t the majority of people who bother to vote in local elections vote along tribal lines anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2006/04/06/backing-blair-back-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3201</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comment above that national parties launching local campaigns seems odd. But labelling the LibDems a protest vote in local elections when they run councils up and down the country is a little unfair. Rather than saying you don&#039;t know what you&#039;d get, why not judge them on their manifesto and councillors in Brighton? If you don&#039;t like them then, fair enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comment above that national parties launching local campaigns seems odd. But labelling the LibDems a protest vote in local elections when they run councils up and down the country is a little unfair. Rather than saying you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;d get, why not judge them on their manifesto and councillors in Brighton? If you don&#8217;t like them then, fair enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Davide Simonetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davide Simonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a tough decision, to spoil the ballot or not turn up. Either way voting for any of the parties is out of the question. I so wish the electoral process in this country was reformed so thats peoples votes actually did count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a tough decision, to spoil the ballot or not turn up. Either way voting for any of the parties is out of the question. I so wish the electoral process in this country was reformed so thats peoples votes actually did count.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Elections at RantSpace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Local Elections at RantSpace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thinking about voting Labour on the 4th of May ? Do yourself and the rest of the nation a favour and read this first&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thinking about voting Labour on the 4th of May ? Do yourself and the rest of the nation a favour and read this first&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis, can&#039;t speak for Justin, but pretty sure he favours some sort of electoral reform; FPTP is one of the core problems with politics, across the board, it institutionalises the corruption that we now see, at all levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis, can&#8217;t speak for Justin, but pretty sure he favours some sort of electoral reform; FPTP is one of the core problems with politics, across the board, it institutionalises the corruption that we now see, at all levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Diggerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diggerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not change your name by deed poll to: &quot;none of the above&quot; and stand in an election? You might just win....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not change your name by deed poll to: &#8220;none of the above&#8221; and stand in an election? You might just win&#8230;.</p>
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