Comments on: Sore winners http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/ The weblog of Brighton-based writer Justin McKeating Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:14:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: guy nicholls http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26371 guy nicholls Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:09:06 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26371 I trust beetroot isn't referring to MAB which is affiliated to STW.There's a lot of Islamophobic twaddle spoken about muslims who have the temerity to challenge Western imperialism and I am proud to march with them. The muslim element on such marches are as mixed as any other faith represented.I've lived in muslim countries and nobody but nobody ever tried to stuff their religion down my throat.It's rollocks! Is beetroot aware that the tens of thousands of US mercenaries in Iraq e.g. those working for Blackwater are all funded by fundamentalist Christian groups back home.We don't hear much about these fundamentalists do we. Sounds like someone bought into another mainstream news agenda and left a lot of other important facts unresearched.Result:a v.partial picture indeed. I trust beetroot isn’t referring to MAB which is affiliated to STW.There’s a lot of Islamophobic twaddle spoken about muslims who have the temerity to challenge Western imperialism and I am proud to march with them.

The muslim element on such marches are as mixed as any other faith represented.I’ve lived in muslim countries and nobody but nobody ever tried to stuff their religion down my throat.It’s rollocks!

Is beetroot aware that the tens of thousands of US mercenaries in Iraq e.g. those working for Blackwater are all funded by fundamentalist Christian groups back home.We don’t hear much about these fundamentalists do we.

Sounds like someone bought into another mainstream news agenda and left a lot of other important facts unresearched.Result:a v.partial picture indeed.

]]> By: Pete http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26222 Pete Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:50:14 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26222 The 'decent', British Neo-Con yes-men have got blood on their hands. Their Good War has caused terrible problems. They feel guilty, and everyone can now point at them. But all this noise and bluster isn't about the anti-war movement or the 'liberal press', it's about the all the Norman Gerases rationalising with <b>themselves</b> that somehow the mess is not their fault, that somehow they were right, and that the blood isn't really there. If they keep saying it out loud and agreeing with each other then maybe it will be true. The ‘decent’, British Neo-Con yes-men have got blood on their hands. Their Good War has caused terrible problems. They feel guilty, and everyone can now point at them.

But all this noise and bluster isn’t about the anti-war movement or the ‘liberal press’, it’s about the all the Norman Gerases rationalising with themselves that somehow the mess is not their fault, that somehow they were right, and that the blood isn’t really there. If they keep saying it out loud and agreeing with each other then maybe it will be true.

]]> By: beatroot http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26125 beatroot Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:30:18 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26125 Of course the left wing neo cons – and that is what they are – will always have one over us, because they are not making alliances with weirdo religious groups. I have been left wing since I was 16 – long time ago – but I will never march with religious, sexist, bigots. And that is what the anti-war left is doing. That is why it is so hard being anti war…because we are making allies with SEXIST, ANTISEMITE CONSERVATIVES… Of course the left wing neo cons – and that is what they are – will always have one over us, because they are not making alliances with weirdo religious groups. I have been left wing since I was 16 – long time ago – but I will never march with religious, sexist, bigots. And that is what the anti-war left is doing.

That is why it is so hard being anti war…because we are making allies with SEXIST, ANTISEMITE CONSERVATIVES…

]]> By: beatroot http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26124 beatroot Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:21:55 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26124 I am anti war, was from the start…but there is one thing we have not got our heads round… When you are on anti-war marches, look around. Many are from VERY conservative religious groups that the Left, as I understand it, and in any other place, would not be seen dead with. It shows that both parts of the left at the moment – anti-war, pro war, have very conservative instincts. And that’s why the left is irrelevant and ineffectual at the moment. We anti-war types have got to stop making allies with those who oppose our basic values…. of equality of the sexes, free speech, etc… I am anti war, was from the start…but there is one thing we have not got our heads round…

When you are on anti-war marches, look around. Many are from VERY conservative religious groups that the Left, as I understand it, and in any other place, would not be seen dead with.

It shows that both parts of the left at the moment – anti-war, pro war, have very conservative instincts. And that’s why the left is irrelevant and ineffectual at the moment.

We anti-war types have got to stop making allies with those who oppose our basic values…. of equality of the sexes, free speech, etc…

]]> By: Dear Kitty. Some blog :: USA: Bill Kristol, the neocon ‘Nostradamus’ of the wrong predictions :: January :: 2007 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26097 Dear Kitty. Some blog :: USA: Bill Kristol, the neocon ‘Nostradamus’ of the wrong predictions :: January :: 2007 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:31:09 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26097 [...] British neocons and the Iraq war: here. [...] [...] British neocons and the Iraq war: here. [...]

]]> By: guy nicholls http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26070 guy nicholls Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:57:20 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26070 I heard the execrable Cohen talking about his equally execrable book on Radio 4's Start the Week while driving to work Monday. Ugh....smug,oafish and with a pronounced speech impediment, I wondered how a spineless jerk-off could dare to lambast the anti-war movement when events in Iraq have turned out exactly as we predicted. Cohen resembled Blair on Sunday t.v.reports claiming that the eventuality of a civil war in Iraq following a US invasion had not been widely predicted. What Cohen and Blair should have done after the catastrophe in Iraq became public knowledge was to do the same as Channel 4's Davi Smith did. Who,I hear you ask?He was the guy that stood in front of the White House each evening for weeks in the lead up to the Iraq war saying to Channel 4's John Snow that if Saddam didn't do this and if he didn't do that then it was going to be war,John!He repeated this night after night ad infinitum until many were convinced that war was inevitable. What happened to David Smith...he went away and died!If anyone knows where he is now get in touch. When Cohen and Blair leave the stage the wars they fired will likely be proceeding to their inevitable conclusion:ignominious defeat.Who'll remember Cohen,Aranovich,Hitchens et al then? I heard the execrable Cohen talking about his equally execrable book on Radio 4’s Start the Week while driving to work Monday.
Ugh….smug,oafish and with a pronounced speech impediment, I wondered how a spineless jerk-off could dare to lambast the anti-war movement when events in Iraq have turned out exactly as we predicted.
Cohen resembled Blair on Sunday t.v.reports claiming that the eventuality of a civil war in Iraq following a US invasion had not been widely predicted.
What Cohen and Blair should have done after the catastrophe in Iraq became public knowledge was to do the same as Channel 4’s Davi Smith did.
Who,I hear you ask?He was the guy that stood in front of the White House each evening for weeks in the lead up to the Iraq war saying to Channel 4’s John Snow that if Saddam didn’t do this and if he didn’t do that then it was going to be war,John!He repeated this night after night ad infinitum until many were convinced that war was inevitable.
What happened to David Smith…he went away and died!If anyone knows where he is now get in touch.
When Cohen and Blair leave the stage the wars they fired will likely be proceeding to their inevitable conclusion:ignominious defeat.Who’ll remember Cohen,Aranovich,Hitchens et al then?

]]> By: ejh http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26063 ejh Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:47 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26063 <a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/mike_marqusee/2006/04/moral_quicksand_of_moral_highg.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> being the piece to which I was trying to refer, sorry. This being the piece to which I was trying to refer, sorry.

]]> By: ejh http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26062 ejh Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:38:58 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26062 Most of these points well put by the esitmable Mike Marqusee <a>some time ago</a>. The final paragraph especially. Most of these points well put by the esitmable Mike Marqusee some time ago. The final paragraph especially.

]]> By: Flying Rodent http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26061 Flying Rodent Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:58:01 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26061 Norm's correct, of course - being half-crazed myself, there's nothing I enjoy more than pointing at the Decent Left's masturbatory arguments and laughing like a drain. What he's failed to spot is that, with their earnest self-righteousness and unpleasant mudslinging, they're ripe targets for mockery. There's nothing more enjoyable than applying the pin to the overinflated ego. They are, in short, comedy gold. If they gave up bleating about their fascist political opponents, I'd have to give up blogging. More power to your arm, Norman! Continue with your asinine assaults on lefty straw men, and let us laugh long and loud! Norm’s correct, of course – being half-crazed myself, there’s nothing I enjoy more than pointing at the Decent Left’s masturbatory arguments and laughing like a drain.

What he’s failed to spot is that, with their earnest self-righteousness and unpleasant mudslinging, they’re ripe targets for mockery. There’s nothing more enjoyable than applying the pin to the overinflated ego.

They are, in short, comedy gold. If they gave up bleating about their fascist political opponents, I’d have to give up blogging.

More power to your arm, Norman! Continue with your asinine assaults on lefty straw men, and let us laugh long and loud!

]]> By: dsquared http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/comment-page-1/#comment-26055 dsquared Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:37:59 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2007/01/30/sore-winners/#comment-26055 They did in fact gloat, in quite the most repulsive manner possible, in January 2005 at the time of the Iraqi elections. <a href="http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/01/31/crow_anyone.php" rel="nofollow">This</a> was by no means atypical: <i>"John Pilger, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Seamas Milne, Saddam Hussein, George Galloway, Michael Moore, your boys took one hell of a beating today........"</i> This has to be borne in mind when you see these lads accusing anyone else of only really wanting to say "I told you so" and not caring about the Iraqis. By the way, "the decent left" is the name they selected for themselves, not a derisive nickname pinned on them by anyone else. Its original source is in Michael Walzer's essay "Can There Be A Decent Left?" and it's self-application to the British pro-war left can be voluminously documented to Alan "Not the Minister" Johnson, Norman Geras, Christopher Hitchens and Harry's Place, all of whom have used it non-ironically to describe themselves. The epithet "The Decent Left" has become discredited by association with them, not vice versa. They did in fact gloat, in quite the most repulsive manner possible, in January 2005 at the time of the Iraqi elections. This was by no means atypical:

“John Pilger, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Seamas Milne, Saddam Hussein, George Galloway, Michael Moore, your boys took one hell of a beating today……..”

This has to be borne in mind when you see these lads accusing anyone else of only really wanting to say “I told you so” and not caring about the Iraqis.

By the way, “the decent left” is the name they selected for themselves, not a derisive nickname pinned on them by anyone else. Its original source is in Michael Walzer’s essay “Can There Be A Decent Left?” and it’s self-application to the British pro-war left can be voluminously documented to Alan “Not the Minister” Johnson, Norman Geras, Christopher Hitchens and Harry’s Place, all of whom have used it non-ironically to describe themselves.

The epithet “The Decent Left” has become discredited by association with them, not vice versa.

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