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	<title>Comments on: Iain Dale owes Tim Ireland an apology</title>
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	<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/</link>
	<description>The weblog of Brighton-based writer Justin McKeating</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Hansell</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26845</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry - if that indeed is your real name and you are not some astro-turfer of wannabee hanger on - you are missing the point.

Honest political discourse through whatever medium depends on genuine debate and the right of challenge, be it the challenge to opinions, actions or statements that may be misleading.  It&#039;s difficult enough to have any meaningful political debate on serious questions or issues through the current accepted traditional mediums because there is so much spin and so many gatekeepers. 

It was only a matter of time before the same people who want to control and mis-direst debate made a play to corral the political blogesphere.

And that&#039;s what this is about.  You, Henry, whoever you are, may or may not be a genuine member of the public with or without a political axe to grind on your own or someone else&#039;s behalf.  However, you won&#039;t find yourself banned or prevented from commenting on blogs like this, Tims or similar sites.  You won&#039;t find yourself smeared and attacked for raising questions by teams of blogger groupies or ghost posters for having the temerity to raise questions or doubts about the points, opinions, actions, activities and interests of those you question.

It&#039;s not necessarily a left/right thing - although that plays a part - its about free debate and honest discussion not tainted by the control freaks.

Yours fraternally

Dave Hansell
30 Ralph Ellis Drive
Stocksbridge
Sheffield
S36 1EW
email: chash@btinternet.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry &#8211; if that indeed is your real name and you are not some astro-turfer of wannabee hanger on &#8211; you are missing the point.</p>
<p>Honest political discourse through whatever medium depends on genuine debate and the right of challenge, be it the challenge to opinions, actions or statements that may be misleading.  It&#8217;s difficult enough to have any meaningful political debate on serious questions or issues through the current accepted traditional mediums because there is so much spin and so many gatekeepers. </p>
<p>It was only a matter of time before the same people who want to control and mis-direst debate made a play to corral the political blogesphere.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what this is about.  You, Henry, whoever you are, may or may not be a genuine member of the public with or without a political axe to grind on your own or someone else&#8217;s behalf.  However, you won&#8217;t find yourself banned or prevented from commenting on blogs like this, Tims or similar sites.  You won&#8217;t find yourself smeared and attacked for raising questions by teams of blogger groupies or ghost posters for having the temerity to raise questions or doubts about the points, opinions, actions, activities and interests of those you question.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not necessarily a left/right thing &#8211; although that plays a part &#8211; its about free debate and honest discussion not tainted by the control freaks.</p>
<p>Yours fraternally</p>
<p>Dave Hansell<br />
30 Ralph Ellis Drive<br />
Stocksbridge<br />
Sheffield<br />
S36 1EW<br />
email: <a href="mailto:chash@btinternet.com">chash@btinternet.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26701</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Guido&#039;s septic tank&#039;s leaking again.

&lt;em&gt;I have a problem with some bloggers criticise the entire style and approach of another blogger, which Justin does.&lt;/em&gt;

Fascist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Guido&#8217;s septic tank&#8217;s leaking again.</p>
<p><em>I have a problem with some bloggers criticise the entire style and approach of another blogger, which Justin does.</em></p>
<p>Fascist.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26696</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s dick jokes on the way. Please relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s dick jokes on the way. Please relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26691</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High traffic means that Guido is a trusted resource. He doesn&#039;t campaign really, he just investigates and reports. Of courst, Tim and Justin could do that if they wanted, it&#039;s just that they have higher principles. Also, Guido is unique, there just isn&#039;t anything like him on the net, but you can&#039;t throw a stone without hitting some anti war lefty with an overactive conscience. I think the left is just annoyed that a few right wing/pro war/anti islamist/pro israel/free market/anti eu bloggers have overtaken the mooing herd of centerists in establishing a large online audience of opinion formers and political geeks. 

I&#039;m also sure that the left is just waiting until the right time to start its own internet TV station broadcasting five nights a week...Perhaps then he could broadcast his paranoid rantings about Iain Dale to the masses. 

Then again, if I wanted to get the kind of content I find here, I could just buy &lt;i&gt;The Independent&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High traffic means that Guido is a trusted resource. He doesn&#8217;t campaign really, he just investigates and reports. Of courst, Tim and Justin could do that if they wanted, it&#8217;s just that they have higher principles. Also, Guido is unique, there just isn&#8217;t anything like him on the net, but you can&#8217;t throw a stone without hitting some anti war lefty with an overactive conscience. I think the left is just annoyed that a few right wing/pro war/anti islamist/pro israel/free market/anti eu bloggers have overtaken the mooing herd of centerists in establishing a large online audience of opinion formers and political geeks. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also sure that the left is just waiting until the right time to start its own internet TV station broadcasting five nights a week&#8230;Perhaps then he could broadcast his paranoid rantings about Iain Dale to the masses. </p>
<p>Then again, if I wanted to get the kind of content I find here, I could just buy <i>The Independent</i></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26683</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flying Rodent: Interestingly, big-noting yourself with inflated stats actually helps to generate genuine traffic... the impact on advertising revenue should be obvious.

Henry: This is not a matter of &#039;style&#039;, as you well know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flying Rodent: Interestingly, big-noting yourself with inflated stats actually helps to generate genuine traffic&#8230; the impact on advertising revenue should be obvious.</p>
<p>Henry: This is not a matter of &#8217;style&#8217;, as you well know.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying Rodent</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26661</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying Rodent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of interest, what counts as &quot;success&quot; for a blogger?

High traffic and advertising revenue, it seems.  Personally, if I was interested in that, I&#039;d ditch the blog and take a job as a salesman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of interest, what counts as &#8220;success&#8221; for a blogger?</p>
<p>High traffic and advertising revenue, it seems.  Personally, if I was interested in that, I&#8217;d ditch the blog and take a job as a salesman.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26639</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s dick jokes on the way. Please relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s dick jokes on the way. Please relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26625</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They feel they have some sort of right to comment on what someone writes on their blog as if it has anything to do with them&lt;/i&gt; 

Perhaps I was proving my own point? Or perhaps I just meant to say that I think it&#039;s great that people allow comments, they should. I have a problem with some bloggers criticise the entire style and approach of another blogger, which Justin does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They feel they have some sort of right to comment on what someone writes on their blog as if it has anything to do with them</i> </p>
<p>Perhaps I was proving my own point? Or perhaps I just meant to say that I think it&#8217;s great that people allow comments, they should. I have a problem with some bloggers criticise the entire style and approach of another blogger, which Justin does.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26624</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sad that Tim and Justin fail to understand what blogging is about for most people. They feel they have some sort of right to comment on what someone writes on their blog as if it has anything to do with them]

this would have a bit more credibility if you had written it somewhere other than the comments section of Justin&#039;s blog.

but only a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sad that Tim and Justin fail to understand what blogging is about for most people. They feel they have some sort of right to comment on what someone writes on their blog as if it has anything to do with them]</p>
<p>this would have a bit more credibility if you had written it somewhere other than the comments section of Justin&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>but only a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/08/iain-dale-owes-tim-ireland-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comment-26623</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tim&lt;/b&gt;: Yeah, it&#039;s starting to sound like a whining version of &#039;The Aristocrats&#039;.

&lt;b&gt;Henry&lt;/b&gt;: I&#039;d have more time for you if what you say wasn&#039;t refuted by clicking around this blog for five minutes. Still, why let the truth and evidence (do you have any?) derail your prejudices and intellectual shortcomings. Either that or you&#039;re genuinely delusional.

Anyway, thanks for your illuminating contribution. Hurry back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tim</b>: Yeah, it&#8217;s starting to sound like a whining version of &#8216;The Aristocrats&#8217;.</p>
<p><b>Henry</b>: I&#8217;d have more time for you if what you say wasn&#8217;t refuted by clicking around this blog for five minutes. Still, why let the truth and evidence (do you have any?) derail your prejudices and intellectual shortcomings. Either that or you&#8217;re genuinely delusional.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for your illuminating contribution. Hurry back.</p>
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