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	<title>Comments on: Guido Fawkes and the BNP UPDATE UPDATED UPDATED UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Doug K</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/02/11/guido-fawkes-and-the-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-27469</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>late as usual, a couple of comments on the Angolan diversion:
1. as a conscript in the armies of apartheid in the early 80s, we were trained to sing anti-FAPLA chants (probably a version of the chants Roman barbarian mercenaries were taught about barbarians). General principles of enemies&#039; enemies&#039; led me to believe Savimbi to be of dubious moral character: but particular information, then and later, shows there were no innocents in any of the southern African conflicts. Manichean approaches  failed, a preponderance of wickedness on every side. 
2. when I contracted the quinine-resistant malaria, the story I heard was that of the mercenaries bringing it from SE Asia to the Congo, and spreading from there. It&#039;s certainly physically possible, see 
http://www.cdc.gov/Malaria/history/index.htm#discoverytransmissionhuman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>late as usual, a couple of comments on the Angolan diversion:<br />
1. as a conscript in the armies of apartheid in the early 80s, we were trained to sing anti-FAPLA chants (probably a version of the chants Roman barbarian mercenaries were taught about barbarians). General principles of enemies&#8217; enemies&#8217; led me to believe Savimbi to be of dubious moral character: but particular information, then and later, shows there were no innocents in any of the southern African conflicts. Manichean approaches  failed, a preponderance of wickedness on every side.<br />
2. when I contracted the quinine-resistant malaria, the story I heard was that of the mercenaries bringing it from SE Asia to the Congo, and spreading from there. It&#8217;s certainly physically possible, see<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/Malaria/history/index.htm#discoverytransmissionhuman">http://www.cdc.gov/Malaria/history/index.htm#discoverytransmissionhuman</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amusingly, of course, a prime recipient of the Nats&#039; propaganda budget was none other than Jack Abramoff, who even went to Savimbi-controlled Angola to stage a &quot;world anti-communist congress&quot; on the BOSS dime.

Anyway, given his relationship with David Hart, I say we just rename him &quot;Silver Birch Online&quot; and have done with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amusingly, of course, a prime recipient of the Nats&#8217; propaganda budget was none other than Jack Abramoff, who even went to Savimbi-controlled Angola to stage a &#8220;world anti-communist congress&#8221; on the BOSS dime.</p>
<p>Anyway, given his relationship with David Hart, I say we just rename him &#8220;Silver Birch Online&#8221; and have done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ministry of Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ministry of Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Being something of a night-owl, Sunny Hundal at Pickled Politics beat the rest of us to the punch and published the article. Early Sunday morning, Tim Ireland, Labour MP Tom Watson and I followed suit. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Being something of a night-owl, Sunny Hundal at Pickled Politics beat the rest of us to the punch and published the article. Early Sunday morning, Tim Ireland, Labour MP Tom Watson and I followed suit. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about this malaria/Cuban link. 

I do know that the various guerilla armies that were trained in China are said to have introduced the more virulent, quinnine-resistant malaria into Africa (from China or Vietnam as I recall). There&#039;s an article on this in the (South African) Daily Mail &amp; Guardian of a few years back - a full online archive is available on their website.

dsquared, thanks for the links. I&#039;ll read them in due course. Regarding your:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;I am slower than you to hang someone for being an idiot about third world guerillas in the 80s&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
I&#039;m against capital punishment, and I don&#039;t believe that pointing out the contradictions and/or opportunism in someone&#039;s behaviour is hanging them. If anything one could say that PDS has hung himself - because he has been exposed as being as vulnerable to criticism as the people he attacks mercilessly from his own high horse every day.

And if you think about it he could have said &quot;mea culpa, I was a bit of a follower of stupid causes as a student&quot; and nobody could really hold that against him. But instead he came out with his guns blazing, apparently using a law which he has publicly criticised, to silence criticism.

And the criticism of him has not been personal (like much of the gay-bashing innuendo we see on his site for example) but has been substantial criticism of his actions and behaviour, and of the disreputable people he has chosen to be associated with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about this malaria/Cuban link. </p>
<p>I do know that the various guerilla armies that were trained in China are said to have introduced the more virulent, quinnine-resistant malaria into Africa (from China or Vietnam as I recall). There&#8217;s an article on this in the (South African) Daily Mail &amp; Guardian of a few years back &#8211; a full online archive is available on their website.</p>
<p>dsquared, thanks for the links. I&#8217;ll read them in due course. Regarding your:<br />
<i>&#8220;I am slower than you to hang someone for being an idiot about third world guerillas in the 80s&#8221;</i><br />
I&#8217;m against capital punishment, and I don&#8217;t believe that pointing out the contradictions and/or opportunism in someone&#8217;s behaviour is hanging them. If anything one could say that PDS has hung himself &#8211; because he has been exposed as being as vulnerable to criticism as the people he attacks mercilessly from his own high horse every day.</p>
<p>And if you think about it he could have said &#8220;mea culpa, I was a bit of a follower of stupid causes as a student&#8221; and nobody could really hold that against him. But instead he came out with his guns blazing, apparently using a law which he has publicly criticised, to silence criticism.</p>
<p>And the criticism of him has not been personal (like much of the gay-bashing innuendo we see on his site for example) but has been substantial criticism of his actions and behaviour, and of the disreputable people he has chosen to be associated with.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaria is extinct in Cuba. It existed pre-revolution, was wiped out by DDT in the &#039;60s, and hasn&#039;t come back. So my suspicion is that Hutton&#039;s source has been fed anti-Cuba spin by the usual Miami suspects...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaria is extinct in Cuba. It existed pre-revolution, was wiped out by DDT in the &#8217;60s, and hasn&#8217;t come back. So my suspicion is that Hutton&#8217;s source has been fed anti-Cuba spin by the usual Miami suspects&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dsquared,

As far as Cubans in South America - they were definitely in Argentina and Bolivia and probably elsewhere as well. The latter is particularly significant as every 17 year old&#039;s favourite T-shirt and some of his loyal band went almost directly from Angola to there. And it is, of course, where he (of the beret and the diaries) famously kicked the bucket - or, more acurately, the CIA threw it at him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dsquared,</p>
<p>As far as Cubans in South America &#8211; they were definitely in Argentina and Bolivia and probably elsewhere as well. The latter is particularly significant as every 17 year old&#8217;s favourite T-shirt and some of his loyal band went almost directly from Angola to there. And it is, of course, where he (of the beret and the diaries) famously kicked the bucket &#8211; or, more acurately, the CIA threw it at him.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, &lt;b&gt;RS&lt;/b&gt;, thank you for saying so.

Bar one or two tidying up exercises, mainly when Sunny Hundal&#039;s interview with Guido is released, I&#039;m out of the blog war business. Trying to act in good faith in these matters is largely fruitless and demoralising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, <b>RS</b>, thank you for saying so.</p>
<p>Bar one or two tidying up exercises, mainly when Sunny Hundal&#8217;s interview with Guido is released, I&#8217;m out of the blog war business. Trying to act in good faith in these matters is largely fruitless and demoralising.</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary Snob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reactionary Snob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

You are, for my money, the best blogger in the country - your post on personal responsibility won the &#039;Reactionary Snob Award For Best Blog Post&#039; in the annual snobbies.

Don&#039;t waste your time with this nonsense - get back to what you do best. 

RS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>You are, for my money, the best blogger in the country &#8211; your post on personal responsibility won the &#8216;Reactionary Snob Award For Best Blog Post&#8217; in the annual snobbies.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t waste your time with this nonsense &#8211; get back to what you do best. </p>
<p>RS</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Someone told me the other day that malaria came to South America, or was reintroduced here, by Cuban soldiers returning from Angola. Is that possible? I thought IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d better check with Daniel before I go around repeating it.&lt;/i&gt;

Never heard that one myself.  I don&#039;t really know much about South America though - did the Cubans send troops to Nicaragua or something?  Cuba certainly contributed a lot of malaria treatment facilities to Angola.

I guess they could have been a vector for the malaria parasite, but I&#039;m not aware of it ever having been wiped out in Latin America.  This chart seems to show a big spike in malaria cases in Colombia shortly after the Cubans withdrew in 1989, but the people who put it together say it&#039;s an El Nino cycle event.  It also shows endemic malaria since before the Angolan civil war began, so I don&#039;t think the Cubans can be wholly responsible.

http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/climate_impacts_and_tropical_diseases_in_columbia

In general, though, the track record of Cubans in Africa is yet another data point for the thesis &quot;fucking around in other people&#039;s civil wars is a really stupid idea&quot;.  About the best that could be said of them is that they didn&#039;t massacre prisoners, much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Someone told me the other day that malaria came to South America, or was reintroduced here, by Cuban soldiers returning from Angola. Is that possible? I thought IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d better check with Daniel before I go around repeating it.</i></p>
<p>Never heard that one myself.  I don&#8217;t really know much about South America though &#8211; did the Cubans send troops to Nicaragua or something?  Cuba certainly contributed a lot of malaria treatment facilities to Angola.</p>
<p>I guess they could have been a vector for the malaria parasite, but I&#8217;m not aware of it ever having been wiped out in Latin America.  This chart seems to show a big spike in malaria cases in Colombia shortly after the Cubans withdrew in 1989, but the people who put it together say it&#8217;s an El Nino cycle event.  It also shows endemic malaria since before the Angolan civil war began, so I don&#8217;t think the Cubans can be wholly responsible.</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/climate_impacts_and_tropical_diseases_in_columbia">http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/climate_impacts_and_tropical_diseases_in_columbia</a></p>
<p>In general, though, the track record of Cubans in Africa is yet another data point for the thesis &#8220;fucking around in other people&#8217;s civil wars is a really stupid idea&#8221;.  About the best that could be said of them is that they didn&#8217;t massacre prisoners, much.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which perfectly sums up this whole shooting match, as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which perfectly sums up this whole shooting match, as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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