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	<title>Comments on: We can&#8217;t turn them away UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: guy nicholls</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32705</link>
		<dc:creator>guy nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a cop out!

I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a cop out!</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32704</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since rational discussion seems to be out of the question here I think I&#039;ll leave this one to the court of public opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since rational discussion seems to be out of the question here I think I&#8217;ll leave this one to the court of public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: guy nicholls</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32703</link>
		<dc:creator>guy nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously can&#039;t remember what you wrote in the first place.

This means you&#039;re either a victim(deserving of compassion of course)of the postmodern amnesia I described or you&#039;re pretending you can&#039;t remember because you&#039;re a charlatan lacking the intellectual wherewithal to sustain the case you made originally.

Either way the case for a moral crusade on behalf of Iraqi collaborators is in desperate need of substantiation currently and the time is ripe for you to step into the breach and make it.

I think it&#039;s probably about time you decided whether it&#039;s appropriate to carry on sniping from the sidelines or if it might be better for you as a thoroughly postmodern British subject to do your duty.

You&#039;ve got away with it for far too long methinks. 



Postmodern amnesia is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously can&#8217;t remember what you wrote in the first place.</p>
<p>This means you&#8217;re either a victim(deserving of compassion of course)of the postmodern amnesia I described or you&#8217;re pretending you can&#8217;t remember because you&#8217;re a charlatan lacking the intellectual wherewithal to sustain the case you made originally.</p>
<p>Either way the case for a moral crusade on behalf of Iraqi collaborators is in desperate need of substantiation currently and the time is ripe for you to step into the breach and make it.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s probably about time you decided whether it&#8217;s appropriate to carry on sniping from the sidelines or if it might be better for you as a thoroughly postmodern British subject to do your duty.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got away with it for far too long methinks. </p>
<p>Postmodern amnesia is</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32696</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I believe you did once take up a position on our countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s &quot;moral responsibilties&quot; and now seem to be disowning that position.&lt;/i&gt;

Do I really? Do you have some kind of textual reference for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe you did once take up a position on our countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s &#8220;moral responsibilties&#8221; and now seem to be disowning that position.</i></p>
<p>Do I really? Do you have some kind of textual reference for that?</p>
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		<title>By: guy nicholls</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32695</link>
		<dc:creator>guy nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No,we can&#039;t recall anything you&#039;ve said.

At least nothing stands out in the way of insightful or meaningful comment.

I believe you did once take up a position on our country&#039;s....&quot;moral responsibilties&quot; and now seem to be disowning that position.

Well,opinions do change quickly in our ephemeral,recyclable postmodern age.Taking a view and then promptly discarding it when it seems no longer fashionable is like taking down something from a supermarket shelf and then putting it back again.It&#039;s all part and parcel of the national amnesia and faddishness that afflict our national culture.

Still,history tells us we were once some of the most compassionate people on the planet...once upon a time in the days of Empire.

Yes,I remember now....in India we made the trains run on time.In Mesopotamia Bomber Harris civilised the natives with gratuitous aerial bombardment.

And it&#039;s quite wrong to think we should now apologise for all this compassion on our part.In fact we&#039;d sound rather like the Archbishop of Canterbury(God bless him) if we did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No,we can&#8217;t recall anything you&#8217;ve said.</p>
<p>At least nothing stands out in the way of insightful or meaningful comment.</p>
<p>I believe you did once take up a position on our country&#8217;s&#8230;.&#8221;moral responsibilties&#8221; and now seem to be disowning that position.</p>
<p>Well,opinions do change quickly in our ephemeral,recyclable postmodern age.Taking a view and then promptly discarding it when it seems no longer fashionable is like taking down something from a supermarket shelf and then putting it back again.It&#8217;s all part and parcel of the national amnesia and faddishness that afflict our national culture.</p>
<p>Still,history tells us we were once some of the most compassionate people on the planet&#8230;once upon a time in the days of Empire.</p>
<p>Yes,I remember now&#8230;.in India we made the trains run on time.In Mesopotamia Bomber Harris civilised the natives with gratuitous aerial bombardment.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s quite wrong to think we should now apologise for all this compassion on our part.In fact we&#8217;d sound rather like the Archbishop of Canterbury(God bless him) if we did.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32692</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anybody can explain how anything the above posting relates to anything I&#039;ve written - not just in this thread but anywhere, ever - I&#039;d be obliged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anybody can explain how anything the above posting relates to anything I&#8217;ve written &#8211; not just in this thread but anywhere, ever &#8211; I&#8217;d be obliged.</p>
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		<title>By: guy nicholls</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32684</link>
		<dc:creator>guy nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ejh seems to think that it&#039;s ok to produce not even a scintilla of anything resembling a coherent or  historically reasoned argument.   

Unsurprising really that he thinks compassion has a significnt role to play in an insurgency war.

If only Princess Diana were here today to provide the figurehead we Brits need to prove to the world how compassionate we are.

I mean we could have a Christmas truce with all our boys playing football with all their boys on the Iraqi resistance.

Mind you,given that Iraq just won the Asia Cup against our(compassionate?)allies,Saudi Arabia, they might just show no compassion at all and give us a damn good hiding.

Maybe they shouldn&#039;t be so vainglorious (as we have been in the past)and let our boys win out of........compassion. 

Then we could always have a return match at Ramadan couldn&#039;t we?

Seriously though,most people outside Britain have noticed that our self-image as a compassionate people is quite at odds with observable reality.So that 12 years of indiscriminate and unwarranted bombing and murderous sanctions on a state that was no threat whatever,along with sanctions that killed up to half a million babies and children already make it necessary for us to atone in a  more meaningful way than merely giving sactuary to a few Iraqi collaborators with the occupation.

The gestural politics ejh would have us play now after we&#039;ve helped destroy Iraq and traumatised her people really simply reinforces the image we have in the rest of the world as being some of the most abjectly hypocritical people who happen to inhabit it.

Compassion after slavery,the Irish famine and anything else Blair and ejh would have us apologise for is not compassion at all it&#039;s making a complete arse of ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ejh seems to think that it&#8217;s ok to produce not even a scintilla of anything resembling a coherent or  historically reasoned argument.   </p>
<p>Unsurprising really that he thinks compassion has a significnt role to play in an insurgency war.</p>
<p>If only Princess Diana were here today to provide the figurehead we Brits need to prove to the world how compassionate we are.</p>
<p>I mean we could have a Christmas truce with all our boys playing football with all their boys on the Iraqi resistance.</p>
<p>Mind you,given that Iraq just won the Asia Cup against our(compassionate?)allies,Saudi Arabia, they might just show no compassion at all and give us a damn good hiding.</p>
<p>Maybe they shouldn&#8217;t be so vainglorious (as we have been in the past)and let our boys win out of&#8230;&#8230;..compassion. </p>
<p>Then we could always have a return match at Ramadan couldn&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>Seriously though,most people outside Britain have noticed that our self-image as a compassionate people is quite at odds with observable reality.So that 12 years of indiscriminate and unwarranted bombing and murderous sanctions on a state that was no threat whatever,along with sanctions that killed up to half a million babies and children already make it necessary for us to atone in a  more meaningful way than merely giving sactuary to a few Iraqi collaborators with the occupation.</p>
<p>The gestural politics ejh would have us play now after we&#8217;ve helped destroy Iraq and traumatised her people really simply reinforces the image we have in the rest of the world as being some of the most abjectly hypocritical people who happen to inhabit it.</p>
<p>Compassion after slavery,the Irish famine and anything else Blair and ejh would have us apologise for is not compassion at all it&#8217;s making a complete arse of ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32656</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we ramp back on the ad hominems please? One of the things I like most about my blog is that it isn&#039;t Harry&#039;s Place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we ramp back on the ad hominems please? One of the things I like most about my blog is that it isn&#8217;t Harry&#8217;s Place.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32655</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that sort of rhetoric doesn&#039;t impress me and i suspect the growing-up may need to be done o nyour side of the exchange. It&#039;s clear that you haven&#039;t even tried to understand the argument, which so far from placing the invading countries on the moral high ground is actually &lt;i&gt;insisting that they live up to a moral responsibility that they are trying to evade&lt;/i&gt;.

I don&#039;t like internet loudmouths who try to show how hard they are by expressing their lack of compassion and humanity. I don&#039;t like the laptop bombardiers who calling for the bombing and invasion of other countries. And I don&#039;t like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that sort of rhetoric doesn&#8217;t impress me and i suspect the growing-up may need to be done o nyour side of the exchange. It&#8217;s clear that you haven&#8217;t even tried to understand the argument, which so far from placing the invading countries on the moral high ground is actually <i>insisting that they live up to a moral responsibility that they are trying to evade</i>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like internet loudmouths who try to show how hard they are by expressing their lack of compassion and humanity. I don&#8217;t like the laptop bombardiers who calling for the bombing and invasion of other countries. And I don&#8217;t like you.</p>
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		<title>By: guy nicholls</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2007/07/23/we-cant-turn-them-away/comment-page-1/#comment-32652</link>
		<dc:creator>guy nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Message for ejh-

Moral responsibilities?

Grow up,pal.

When you&#039;ve bombed a state that was no threat to you for 12 years and then,once its infrastructure was all but defunct,attacked that country with the help of the biggest bully on the international stage.

When you&#039;ve then compounded the original felony by proceeding to murder and torture to death up to a million mainly innocent civilians with impunity youv&#039;e got the gall to try and place yourself on the moral high ground.

You missed the point about being on the planet and you must be a simpleton to boot.</description>
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<p>Moral responsibilities?</p>
<p>Grow up,pal.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;ve bombed a state that was no threat to you for 12 years and then,once its infrastructure was all but defunct,attacked that country with the help of the biggest bully on the international stage.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;ve then compounded the original felony by proceeding to murder and torture to death up to a million mainly innocent civilians with impunity youv&#8217;e got the gall to try and place yourself on the moral high ground.</p>
<p>You missed the point about being on the planet and you must be a simpleton to boot.</p>
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