Comments on: Jane Garvey: Harbinger of the Dark Ages http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/ The weblog of Brighton-based writer Justin McKeating Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:26:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Laban Tall http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-41233 Laban Tall Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:25:16 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-41233 I must defend the lovely Jane (and the magnificent Mr Allen, whose show is alas better than the dreadful Eddie Meir - a real Radio 5 person). If you've not noticed before, it's a sure signifier of middle-classness that you use the term 'middle-class' perjoratively. Ms Garvey's just mouthing the standard Woman Sour pieties. It's why there's a book every month about a child carpet-weaver in Anatolia - before they go back to the REAL stuff - yet another interview with a posh actress. (agree re Derbyshire and Glover though. And Stephen Nolan). I must defend the lovely Jane (and the magnificent Mr Allen, whose show is alas better than the dreadful Eddie Meir – a real Radio 5 person).

If you’ve not noticed before, it’s a sure signifier of middle-classness that you use the term ‘middle-class’ perjoratively. Ms Garvey’s just mouthing the standard Woman Sour pieties.

It’s why there’s a book every month about a child carpet-weaver in Anatolia – before they go back to the REAL stuff – yet another interview with a posh actress.

(agree re Derbyshire and Glover though. And Stephen Nolan).

]]> By: Tom http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37861 Tom Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:58:41 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37861 I have a horrible feeling they learned *everything* from Chris Morris. I have a horrible feeling they learned *everything* from Chris Morris.

]]> By: Justin http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37855 Justin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:46:31 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37855 See also any episode of The Day Today versus any edition of a prime-time news show. These people either think we've forgotten or they never learned anything from Chris Morris. See also any episode of The Day Today versus any edition of a prime-time news show. These people either think we’ve forgotten or they never learned anything from Chris Morris.

]]> By: Tom http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37853 Tom Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:43:00 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37853 As an exercise for the discerning: a) listen to the BBC Radio Player episode of 'On The Hour' b) listen to a random half-hour of a Five Live current affairs show If you can spot any meaningful difference, well done. I certainly can't. As an exercise for the discerning:
a) listen to the BBC Radio Player episode of ‘On The Hour’
b) listen to a random half-hour of a Five Live current affairs show

If you can spot any meaningful difference, well done. I certainly can’t.

]]> By: Justin http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37850 Justin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:23:03 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37850 There really is nothing better, is there? I'm determined to crack Bertrand Russell before I die. There really is nothing better, is there? I’m determined to crack Bertrand Russell before I die.

]]> By: Justin http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37849 Justin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:16:14 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37849 The thing is Katherine, what does 'middle class' actually mean? It's seems to be to be such a debased term. Is it to do with income, education or status? How do the middle classes differ from the working classes - we're all working for 'The Man' in some shape of form. In the context of politics, appealing to the middle classes seems to be filtered via the thought processes of baby boomers and largely consists of appeals to narrow self-interest (house prices, nice schools etc) and ladder pulling. It never appealed to me as a club I want to be a member of. Being something of an inverted snob doesn't help. The thing is Katherine, what does ‘middle class’ actually mean? It’s seems to be to be such a debased term. Is it to do with income, education or status? How do the middle classes differ from the working classes – we’re all working for ‘The Man’ in some shape of form.

In the context of politics, appealing to the middle classes seems to be filtered via the thought processes of baby boomers and largely consists of appeals to narrow self-interest (house prices, nice schools etc) and ladder pulling. It never appealed to me as a club I want to be a member of. Being something of an inverted snob doesn’t help.

]]> By: DonaldS http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37848 DonaldS Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:15:15 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37848 >his coverage of PMQs is rubbish. Well, the only coverage of PMQs that I'd bother with is Gordon and Dave wittering away in the background with someone shouting "bollocks" over the top of it every time one of them spoke. So, yes, on those terms, Mayo's coverage isn't quite to my taste. But maybe my taste is a bit niche for 5Live. >his coverage of PMQs is rubbish.

Well, the only coverage of PMQs that I’d bother with is Gordon and Dave wittering away in the background with someone shouting “bollocks” over the top of it every time one of them spoke. So, yes, on those terms, Mayo’s coverage isn’t quite to my taste. But maybe my taste is a bit niche for 5Live.

]]> By: Justin http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37847 Justin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:52:20 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37847 1) I've lapsed on the football front, I'm afraid. I might try and achieve tumescence for the World Cup qualifiers... 2) I'll give you Mayo. Him and Mark Kermode are unmissable but I also agree with Tom - his coverage of PMQs is rubbish. 1) I’ve lapsed on the football front, I’m afraid. I might try and achieve tumescence for the World Cup qualifiers…
2) I’ll give you Mayo. Him and Mark Kermode are unmissable but I also agree with Tom – his coverage of PMQs is rubbish.

]]> By: Justin http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37846 Justin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:48:57 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37846 I'll second that - you can pick up an Elmore pretty much at random and be guaranteed a cracker. I've read loads of them and I can't remember a bad one. I’ll second that – you can pick up an Elmore pretty much at random and be guaranteed a cracker. I’ve read loads of them and I can’t remember a bad one.

]]> By: ejh http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/comment-page-1/#comment-37845 ejh Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:13:19 +0000 http://www.chickyog.net/2008/02/13/jane-garvey-harbinger-of-the-dark-ages/#comment-37845 Incidentally, you know that much current historiography considers that the Dark Ages didn't really exist? (That is, they weren't Dark - they weren't characterised by the constant war, collapse of civilisation and expulsion of peoples that was formely supposed.) Just to link that to thriller writers, I was taught the history of the period at university by the chap upon whom Le CarrĂ© based George Smiley. Incidentally, you know that much current historiography considers that the Dark Ages didn’t really exist? (That is, they weren’t Dark – they weren’t characterised by the constant war, collapse of civilisation and expulsion of peoples that was formely supposed.)

Just to link that to thriller writers, I was taught the history of the period at university by the chap upon whom Le Carré based George Smiley.

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