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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/04/14/how-politics-works/comment-page-1/#comment-39167</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the thing is, we never see Pyle as a person, as an individual, as opposed to somebody being bullied.

There&#039;s a similar aspect to &lt;I&gt;The Shining&lt;/i&gt; by which the only one of the three people we really see as an individual (as opposed to as a terrified person) is Jack Nicholson.

Now my regard for Kubrick as a director is immense - I can&#039;t think of anybody who&#039;s made so many great films* of entirely different types - so I&#039;m not actually saying this as a criticism. It&#039;s not something &lt;i&gt;missing&lt;/i&gt; from his films so much as something interesting about them. I think that he&#039;s really interested, as a director, in alienation from one&#039;s circumstances and surroundings and much less interested in human individuality and warmth.

[* but not &lt;i&gt;Barry Lyndon&lt;/i&gt;, which is desperately boring]

&lt;em&gt;ejh&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everybody loves a bank letter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the thing is, we never see Pyle as a person, as an individual, as opposed to somebody being bullied.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a similar aspect to <i>The Shining</i> by which the only one of the three people we really see as an individual (as opposed to as a terrified person) is Jack Nicholson.</p>
<p>Now my regard for Kubrick as a director is immense &#8211; I can&#8217;t think of anybody who&#8217;s made so many great films* of entirely different types &#8211; so I&#8217;m not actually saying this as a criticism. It&#8217;s not something <i>missing</i> from his films so much as something interesting about them. I think that he&#8217;s really interested, as a director, in alienation from one&#8217;s circumstances and surroundings and much less interested in human individuality and warmth.</p>
<p>[* but not <i>Barry Lyndon</i>, which is desperately boring]</p>
<p><em>ejh&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html'>Everybody loves a bank letter</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bliss</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/04/14/how-politics-works/comment-page-1/#comment-39166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for any presumption... it was more a turn of phrase than anything, really. But still, my point is that it kind of depends on the emotion you&#039;re talking about. It&#039;s precisely the dehumanisation of Pyle (and the others) that stirred emotion in me, and his suicide represents the ultimate -- and in my view poignant -- consequence of that dehumanisation.

&lt;em&gt;Jim Bliss&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://numero57.net/?p=260&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hey Boy, Hey Boy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for any presumption&#8230; it was more a turn of phrase than anything, really. But still, my point is that it kind of depends on the emotion you&#8217;re talking about. It&#8217;s precisely the dehumanisation of Pyle (and the others) that stirred emotion in me, and his suicide represents the ultimate &#8212; and in my view poignant &#8212; consequence of that dehumanisation.</p>
<p><em>Jim Bliss&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://numero57.net/?p=260'>Hey Boy, Hey Boy</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/04/14/how-politics-works/comment-page-1/#comment-39162</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if a person wasn’t emotionally engaged by Private Pyle’s suicide in FMJ then I suggest the problem may be with them, rather than Kubrick.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, another and slightly less presumptuous view would be that Kubrick never really shows us or interests us in Pyle as a human being with personality: it&#039;s all about the horror of the training.

&lt;em&gt;ejh&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everybody loves a bank letter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if a person wasn’t emotionally engaged by Private Pyle’s suicide in FMJ then I suggest the problem may be with them, rather than Kubrick.</i></p>
<p>Well, another and slightly less presumptuous view would be that Kubrick never really shows us or interests us in Pyle as a human being with personality: it&#8217;s all about the horror of the training.</p>
<p><em>ejh&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html'>Everybody loves a bank letter</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bliss</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/04/14/how-politics-works/comment-page-1/#comment-39159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess it depends upon which emotion you&#039;re talking about being engaged. &lt;i&gt;Full Metal Jacket&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;The Shining&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;A Clockwork Orange&lt;/i&gt; all contain emotionally charged scenes that left me feeling very affected indeed. He didn&#039;t do sentimentality, I grant you, but if a person wasn&#039;t emotionally engaged by Private Pyle&#039;s suicide in FMJ then I suggest the problem may be with them, rather than Kubrick.

&lt;em&gt;Jim Bliss&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://numero57.net/?p=260&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hey Boy, Hey Boy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess it depends upon which emotion you&#8217;re talking about being engaged. <i>Full Metal Jacket</i>, <i>The Shining</i> and <i>A Clockwork Orange</i> all contain emotionally charged scenes that left me feeling very affected indeed. He didn&#8217;t do sentimentality, I grant you, but if a person wasn&#8217;t emotionally engaged by Private Pyle&#8217;s suicide in FMJ then I suggest the problem may be with them, rather than Kubrick.</p>
<p><em>Jim Bliss&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://numero57.net/?p=260'>Hey Boy, Hey Boy</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget his choices of music. I was always a sucker for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QrE3DhFgHY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget his choices of music. I was always a sucker for <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QrE3DhFgHY">this one</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry Lyndon? I&#039;d stopped caring hours before.

&lt;em&gt;ejh&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everybody loves a bank letter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Lyndon? I&#8217;d stopped caring hours before.</p>
<p><em>ejh&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html'>Everybody loves a bank letter</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/04/14/how-politics-works/comment-page-1/#comment-39155</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found the ape-man&#039;s inspiration and the ending more emotionally involving, myself. There&#039;s also the battle scene and execution in &lt;i&gt;Paths of Glory,&lt;/i&gt; the last two sequences of &lt;i&gt;Barry Lyndon,&lt;/i&gt; and no doubt one or two others.

&lt;em&gt;Philip&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://thecurmudgeonly.blogspot.com/2008/04/situation-normal-all-firmly-upright.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Situation Normal: All Firmly Upright&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always found the ape-man&#8217;s inspiration and the ending more emotionally involving, myself. There&#8217;s also the battle scene and execution in <i>Paths of Glory,</i> the last two sequences of <i>Barry Lyndon,</i> and no doubt one or two others.</p>
<p><em>Philip&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://thecurmudgeonly.blogspot.com/2008/04/situation-normal-all-firmly-upright.html'>Situation Normal: All Firmly Upright</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd thing about Kubrick, when I think about it. For all his greatness, the only emotionally engaging moments I can recall in his works involve the closing down of a computer and the mass psychology of a crowd.

&lt;em&gt;ejh&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everybody loves a bank letter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd thing about Kubrick, when I think about it. For all his greatness, the only emotionally engaging moments I can recall in his works involve the closing down of a computer and the mass psychology of a crowd.</p>
<p><em>ejh&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html'>Everybody loves a bank letter</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d certainly pay to see him singing &quot;Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;ejh&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everybody loves a bank letter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d certainly pay to see him singing &#8220;Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>ejh&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/04/everybody-loves-bank-letter.html'>Everybody loves a bank letter</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure. I think Straw&#039;s like HAL from 2001. He&#039;s got to process all these various conflicting scenarios but he&#039;s not up to the job and his urge to self-preservation overrides everything else.  He finishes up looking like a bastard and doing awful things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure. I think Straw&#8217;s like HAL from 2001. He&#8217;s got to process all these various conflicting scenarios but he&#8217;s not up to the job and his urge to self-preservation overrides everything else.  He finishes up looking like a bastard and doing awful things.</p>
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