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	<title>Comments on: The Marshall Islands: half life, half lives</title>
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	<description>The weblog of Brighton-based writer Justin McKeating</description>
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		<title>By: BritSwedeGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/08/18/the-marshall-islands-half-life-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-41389</link>
		<dc:creator>BritSwedeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of foresight, planning, shirking of responsibilities and a need for a &#039;quick fix&#039; have led to a sudden rush for nuclear power - and the boys always love their nuclear toys to wave around as well.
Given that most governments can&#039;t even budget for future pensions, how could we ever trust them to safeguard this most dangerous of poisons FOR MILLENNIA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of foresight, planning, shirking of responsibilities and a need for a &#8216;quick fix&#8217; have led to a sudden rush for nuclear power &#8211; and the boys always love their nuclear toys to wave around as well.<br />
Given that most governments can&#8217;t even budget for future pensions, how could we ever trust them to safeguard this most dangerous of poisons FOR MILLENNIA?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/08/18/the-marshall-islands-half-life-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-41380</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Not as much

2. I don&#039;t want to make too much of this. I just think that the argument, as you put it, is one of absolutes where shades of grey are more appropriate. Given the latter, things become much more debatable.

I&#039;m not trying to be unpleasant, Justin, I&#039;m just slightly radioactive :)

xD.

Dave Cole&#039;s latest blog post... &lt;a href=&quot;http://davecole.org/blog/2008/08/17/china-the-unexpected-and-the-impossible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China, the unexpected and the impossible&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Not as much</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t want to make too much of this. I just think that the argument, as you put it, is one of absolutes where shades of grey are more appropriate. Given the latter, things become much more debatable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be unpleasant, Justin, I&#8217;m just slightly radioactive <img src='http://www.chickyog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>xD.</p>
<p>Dave Cole&#8217;s latest blog post&#8230; <a href="http://davecole.org/blog/2008/08/17/china-the-unexpected-and-the-impossible/">China, the unexpected and the impossible</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/08/18/the-marshall-islands-half-life-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-41379</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. So does the nuclear power industry.

2. I didn&#039;t realise I had made the statement in an absolute fashion. Where did I say &#039;all&#039; commitments are unacceptable? I was talking &lt;i&gt;specifically&lt;/i&gt; about nuclear waste. I find the commitments we demand about nuclear waste unacceptable.  Where does the rest of it come into it? Are you implying that I&#039;m against wind farms because they ask a commitment from future generations? The cure for cancer? Procreation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. So does the nuclear power industry.</p>
<p>2. I didn&#8217;t realise I had made the statement in an absolute fashion. Where did I say &#8216;all&#8217; commitments are unacceptable? I was talking <i>specifically</i> about nuclear waste. I find the commitments we demand about nuclear waste unacceptable.  Where does the rest of it come into it? Are you implying that I&#8217;m against wind farms because they ask a commitment from future generations? The cure for cancer? Procreation?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/08/18/the-marshall-islands-half-life-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-41378</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Nuclear weapons do have a propensity to liberally scatter the stuff over the surrounding area...

2. You are opposed to everything. You said that &quot;Burying nuclear waste demands commitments - financial and moral - from future societies and governments&quot;. I think that just about any area of public policy does the same. As you find this unacceptable, you&#039;re opposed to everything. I&#039;m trying to point out a hole in the logic; you can&#039;t make that statement in an absolute fashion. It would be more meaningful to say that &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; future commitments are unacceptable.

3. The point stands; it&#039;s there and it needs to be dealt with.

4. By about 10% by volume (though I accept that it would be mostly HLW).

xD.

Dave Cole&#039;s latest blog post... &lt;a href=&quot;http://davecole.org/blog/2008/08/17/china-the-unexpected-and-the-impossible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China, the unexpected and the impossible&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Nuclear weapons do have a propensity to liberally scatter the stuff over the surrounding area&#8230;</p>
<p>2. You are opposed to everything. You said that &#8220;Burying nuclear waste demands commitments &#8211; financial and moral &#8211; from future societies and governments&#8221;. I think that just about any area of public policy does the same. As you find this unacceptable, you&#8217;re opposed to everything. I&#8217;m trying to point out a hole in the logic; you can&#8217;t make that statement in an absolute fashion. It would be more meaningful to say that <i>some</i> future commitments are unacceptable.</p>
<p>3. The point stands; it&#8217;s there and it needs to be dealt with.</p>
<p>4. By about 10% by volume (though I accept that it would be mostly HLW).</p>
<p>xD.</p>
<p>Dave Cole&#8217;s latest blog post&#8230; <a href="http://davecole.org/blog/2008/08/17/china-the-unexpected-and-the-impossible/">China, the unexpected and the impossible</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/08/18/the-marshall-islands-half-life-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-41375</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Well, nuclear waste is nuclear waste is nuclear waste whether it&#039;s bombs or reactors that produce it.

2. What, &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt;? I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; a lot of things: Political accountability, electoral reform, civil liberties, Iraqi interpreters,  pork scratchings, free speech, organ donation, public engagement, clean renewable energy, lager, human rights, honesty, public inquiries into the Iraq war and 7/7, freedom of information, arms control...

&lt;i&gt;However, the alternative - combustion of fossil fuels - isn’t particularly attractive.&lt;/i&gt;

I completely agree but there is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/energyrevolution-250107&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and the new research showing that if only the UK sticks to its renewables commitments and CO2 emmission reduction targets we won&#039;t need any new power station of any flavour until at least 2020.

3. &lt;i&gt;CoRWM felt that geological storage was the best option&lt;/i&gt;

I think &#039;least worst&#039; is the better way to describe it, Dave. Or &#039;wishful thinking&#039;. The fact is that we lack the expertise to deal with the waste in any satisfactory manner. 

&lt;i&gt;A new generation of nuclear power stations would not change the problem.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes it would, it would make it worse, wouldn&#039;t it? We end up with more waste to deal with. We&#039;d need to dig more holes and cross more fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Well, nuclear waste is nuclear waste is nuclear waste whether it&#8217;s bombs or reactors that produce it.</p>
<p>2. What, <i>everything</i>? I&#8217;m <i>for</i> a lot of things: Political accountability, electoral reform, civil liberties, Iraqi interpreters,  pork scratchings, free speech, organ donation, public engagement, clean renewable energy, lager, human rights, honesty, public inquiries into the Iraq war and 7/7, freedom of information, arms control&#8230;</p>
<p><i>However, the alternative &#8211; combustion of fossil fuels &#8211; isn’t particularly attractive.</i></p>
<p>I completely agree but there is <a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/energyrevolution-250107">this</a> and the new research showing that if only the UK sticks to its renewables commitments and CO2 emmission reduction targets we won&#8217;t need any new power station of any flavour until at least 2020.</p>
<p>3. <i>CoRWM felt that geological storage was the best option</i></p>
<p>I think &#8216;least worst&#8217; is the better way to describe it, Dave. Or &#8216;wishful thinking&#8217;. The fact is that we lack the expertise to deal with the waste in any satisfactory manner. </p>
<p><i>A new generation of nuclear power stations would not change the problem.</i></p>
<p>Yes it would, it would make it worse, wouldn&#8217;t it? We end up with more waste to deal with. We&#8217;d need to dig more holes and cross more fingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/08/18/the-marshall-islands-half-life-half-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-41374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I have a few problems with this post.

The first, and biggest, is the conflation of nuclear weaponry with nuclear power. 

The second is your opposition to everything. Perhaps that&#039;s a little strong? Perhaps not.

&quot;Burying nuclear waste demands commitments - financial and moral - from future societies and governments.&quot;

Everything does, and in ways we cannot predict; think, for instance, of the effects of Margaret Thatcher&#039;s economic reforms of the 1980s on Britain, or even that the A46 follows the route of the (Roman) Fosse Way. Before you say anything, I know that these are recent when compared with the half-lives of some of the more unpleasant isotopes produced by nuclear fission. However, the alternative - combustion of fossil fuels - isn&#039;t particularly attractive.

Thirdly, the attitude of some states towards their obligations in the past is poor. The Marshall Islands are one example; the decaying sarcophagus at Chernobyl is another. That argument can be extended to almost any area of human activity. In any case, nuclear waste - and I concede much of it is not properly stored - is an existing problem. Whether or not we build new nuclear plants, we have to deal with it; as you&#039;re probably aware, CoRWM felt that geological storage was the best option. A new generation of nuclear power stations would not change the problem.

xD.

xD.

Dave Cole&#039;s latest blog post... &lt;a href=&quot;http://davecole.org/blog/2008/08/17/china-the-unexpected-and-the-impossible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China, the unexpected and the impossible&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I have a few problems with this post.</p>
<p>The first, and biggest, is the conflation of nuclear weaponry with nuclear power. </p>
<p>The second is your opposition to everything. Perhaps that&#8217;s a little strong? Perhaps not.</p>
<p>&#8220;Burying nuclear waste demands commitments &#8211; financial and moral &#8211; from future societies and governments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Everything does, and in ways we cannot predict; think, for instance, of the effects of Margaret Thatcher&#8217;s economic reforms of the 1980s on Britain, or even that the A46 follows the route of the (Roman) Fosse Way. Before you say anything, I know that these are recent when compared with the half-lives of some of the more unpleasant isotopes produced by nuclear fission. However, the alternative &#8211; combustion of fossil fuels &#8211; isn&#8217;t particularly attractive.</p>
<p>Thirdly, the attitude of some states towards their obligations in the past is poor. The Marshall Islands are one example; the decaying sarcophagus at Chernobyl is another. That argument can be extended to almost any area of human activity. In any case, nuclear waste &#8211; and I concede much of it is not properly stored &#8211; is an existing problem. Whether or not we build new nuclear plants, we have to deal with it; as you&#8217;re probably aware, CoRWM felt that geological storage was the best option. A new generation of nuclear power stations would not change the problem.</p>
<p>xD.</p>
<p>xD.</p>
<p>Dave Cole&#8217;s latest blog post&#8230; <a href="http://davecole.org/blog/2008/08/17/china-the-unexpected-and-the-impossible/">China, the unexpected and the impossible</a></p>
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