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	<title>Comments on: Brown backs &#8216;Jeremy Kyle&#8217;s Underclass Deathmatch&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Charlieman</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/09/07/brown-backs-jeremy-kyles-underclass-deathmatch/comment-page-1/#comment-41707</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlieman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll play devil&#039;s advocate, so no personal flames, please.

1. Jeremy Kyle provides space for debate about social issues between people who have been badly educated. People who are sneared at by so-called liberals, generically accused of inarticulacy (clearly disproven by some participants in the programme) and who are judged without consideration. Left wing critics act like ignorant Tories, pretending that people from disfunctional or non-existent families can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

2. The Kyle show is a mirror of lower class/underclass society. What you see are past failures of social policy. You should treat the Kyle show as an education lesson about what has gone wrong and needs to be corrected.

3. Kyle and his ilk will have had their day when government social policy succeeds. Kyle can only exist in the presesence of a badly educated underclass.

4. If Kyle has 1.7 million viewers, surely that qualifies him to ask &quot;why don&#039;t you get off your bum and do something useful, so that I can do the same thing&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll play devil&#8217;s advocate, so no personal flames, please.</p>
<p>1. Jeremy Kyle provides space for debate about social issues between people who have been badly educated. People who are sneared at by so-called liberals, generically accused of inarticulacy (clearly disproven by some participants in the programme) and who are judged without consideration. Left wing critics act like ignorant Tories, pretending that people from disfunctional or non-existent families can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.</p>
<p>2. The Kyle show is a mirror of lower class/underclass society. What you see are past failures of social policy. You should treat the Kyle show as an education lesson about what has gone wrong and needs to be corrected.</p>
<p>3. Kyle and his ilk will have had their day when government social policy succeeds. Kyle can only exist in the presesence of a badly educated underclass.</p>
<p>4. If Kyle has 1.7 million viewers, surely that qualifies him to ask &#8220;why don&#8217;t you get off your bum and do something useful, so that I can do the same thing&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: redpesto</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/09/07/brown-backs-jeremy-kyles-underclass-deathmatch/comment-page-1/#comment-41705</link>
		<dc:creator>redpesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ye gods...that&#039;s insane. I can imagine how it will go: live &#039;interventions&#039; where some long-term claimant is bullied by &#039;friends&#039; and family in front of a baying live TV audience (haven&#039;t they got jobs to go to themselves?), egged on by Kyle. Alternatively, they could just commission ITV to do an action series with Ross Kemp about taking out the dole cheats, one scrounger at a time. Or Caroline Flint could team up with Purnell in a Work and Pensions-sponsored remake of &lt;I&gt;Dempsey and Makepeace&lt;/I&gt; set in a job centre (if you prefer  more homoerotic subtext, John Hutton&#039;s in talks to team up with Liam Byrne  in a &#039;revisioned&#039; version of &lt;I&gt;The Professionals&lt;/I&gt;, funded by the CBI and   Home Office Immigration Dept.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ye gods&#8230;that&#8217;s insane. I can imagine how it will go: live &#8216;interventions&#8217; where some long-term claimant is bullied by &#8216;friends&#8217; and family in front of a baying live TV audience (haven&#8217;t they got jobs to go to themselves?), egged on by Kyle. Alternatively, they could just commission ITV to do an action series with Ross Kemp about taking out the dole cheats, one scrounger at a time. Or Caroline Flint could team up with Purnell in a Work and Pensions-sponsored remake of <i>Dempsey and Makepeace</i> set in a job centre (if you prefer  more homoerotic subtext, John Hutton&#8217;s in talks to team up with Liam Byrne  in a &#8216;revisioned&#8217; version of <i>The Professionals</i>, funded by the CBI and   Home Office Immigration Dept.).</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Private Eye have a piece in this issue on the rather poor performance of present government schemes for getting people off benefits.

&lt;i&gt;&quot; The DWP has been citing seemingly impressive figures for its Pathways To Work programme, aimed at getting the long-term sick off benefits and back into employment. A press release boasted: &quot;A South Tyneside programme has been hailed a success after helping more than 3,800 long-term sick and disabled people into jobs.&quot;

It did not reveal that the programme cost £9m. took 3 years and covers a huge area stretching to the Tees with around 66,000 people on benefits. Furthermore, the DWP has been forced to admit it has no idea how many of those 3,800 are still in work. It could only cite Policy Studies Institute research showing a 7.4% in the number of those on benefits subsequently employed in Pathways To Work areas, compared to other areas. Lots of money for for very small improvement. Not so impressive after all.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


If memory serves, people on Incapacity Benefit in pathways areas can return to work (which can be for just a few hours a week), but if they are unable to continue working through ill health, are able to return to benefits, at the level they previously received them, with no adverse effects for up to a year after starting work. So some of the people classed as returning to work may well have got jobs - for a few weeks or months, but could also be classed as claimants in other figures.

Is any Labour policy assessed and evaluated? (stupid, rhetorical question.)

But using Kyle.....? Jeeeeezus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private Eye have a piece in this issue on the rather poor performance of present government schemes for getting people off benefits.</p>
<p><i>&#8221; The DWP has been citing seemingly impressive figures for its Pathways To Work programme, aimed at getting the long-term sick off benefits and back into employment. A press release boasted: &#8220;A South Tyneside programme has been hailed a success after helping more than 3,800 long-term sick and disabled people into jobs.&#8221;</p>
<p>It did not reveal that the programme cost £9m. took 3 years and covers a huge area stretching to the Tees with around 66,000 people on benefits. Furthermore, the DWP has been forced to admit it has no idea how many of those 3,800 are still in work. It could only cite Policy Studies Institute research showing a 7.4% in the number of those on benefits subsequently employed in Pathways To Work areas, compared to other areas. Lots of money for for very small improvement. Not so impressive after all.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If memory serves, people on Incapacity Benefit in pathways areas can return to work (which can be for just a few hours a week), but if they are unable to continue working through ill health, are able to return to benefits, at the level they previously received them, with no adverse effects for up to a year after starting work. So some of the people classed as returning to work may well have got jobs &#8211; for a few weeks or months, but could also be classed as claimants in other figures.</p>
<p>Is any Labour policy assessed and evaluated? (stupid, rhetorical question.)</p>
<p>But using Kyle&#8230;..? Jeeeeezus.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Eugenides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Eugenides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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Extraordinary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extraordinary.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the series ... would be used to highlight the role of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and explore how government policies can help people get jobs.&lt;/i&gt;

In which case it should, at least, be mercifully short.

&lt;i&gt;Philip&#039;s latest blog post... &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecurmudgeonly.blogspot.com/2008/09/for-your-safety-and-security.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For Your Safety and Security&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the series &#8230; would be used to highlight the role of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and explore how government policies can help people get jobs.</i></p>
<p>In which case it should, at least, be mercifully short.</p>
<p><i>Philip&#8217;s latest blog post&#8230; <a href="http://thecurmudgeonly.blogspot.com/2008/09/for-your-safety-and-security.html">For Your Safety and Security</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: richard hannay</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard hannay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy Kyle - scrofulous slimeroach who enjoys orchestrating the pain of the inarticulate for the degraded viewer. This kind of gruntertainment should be called Jeremy Kyle&#039;s Medieval Asylum Laughin, just to get the tenor right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Kyle &#8211; scrofulous slimeroach who enjoys orchestrating the pain of the inarticulate for the degraded viewer. This kind of gruntertainment should be called Jeremy Kyle&#8217;s Medieval Asylum Laughin, just to get the tenor right.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only it were, Larry. If only it were.

&lt;i&gt;ejh&#039;s latest blog post... &lt;a href=&quot;http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/07/but-not-today-struggle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But not today the struggle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only it were, Larry. If only it were.</p>
<p><i>ejh&#8217;s latest blog post&#8230; <a href="http://justinhorton.blogspot.com/2008/07/but-not-today-struggle.html">But not today the struggle</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.chickyog.net/2008/09/07/brown-backs-jeremy-kyles-underclass-deathmatch/comment-page-1/#comment-41698</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is just the fucking limit.

&lt;i&gt;Larry Teabag&#039;s latest blog post... &lt;a href=&quot;http://tamponteabag.blogspot.com/2008/08/first-they-came-for-dogs-with-tits.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;First they came for the dogs with tits&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is just the fucking limit.</p>
<p><i>Larry Teabag&#8217;s latest blog post&#8230; <a href="http://tamponteabag.blogspot.com/2008/08/first-they-came-for-dogs-with-tits.html">First they came for the dogs with tits</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: CP</title>
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		<dc:creator>CP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will it be like Oprah..................... yummy?

Such is the hollowness of western values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will it be like Oprah&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; yummy?</p>
<p>Such is the hollowness of western values.</p>
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