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	<title>Comments on: Jack Straw: spare the rod, spoil the vote</title>
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		<title>By: What you’ve been LibDigging this week &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>What you’ve been LibDigging this week &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Straw: spare the rod, spoil the vote (Chicken Yoghurt) – submitted by markpack: “Wow. A welcome moment of clarity from Jack Straw &#8230; or not.”  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour have obviously decided that now is the time to go for the Daily Mail vote as they make a recovery in the polls.  I doubt those on the Left will be very impressed, but this obviously wasn&#039;t meant to appeal to them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour have obviously decided that now is the time to go for the Daily Mail vote as they make a recovery in the polls.  I doubt those on the Left will be very impressed, but this obviously wasn&#8217;t meant to appeal to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Laban Tall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laban Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re doing it again ! And you fall for it every time. Straw has (alas) zero intention of actually doing anything - I think we share that bit of the diagnosis. 

Like Churchill, who rebranded the WW2 &quot;Communal Feeding Centres&quot; as &quot;British Restaurants&quot; with the words &quot;everyone associates the word restaurant with a good meal, and they may as well have the name if they cannot have anything else&quot;, Straw is continuing the grand Nu Lab tradition of talking tough and doing damn-all. Hence the 1,583 &quot;crackdowns&quot; and &quot;blitzes&quot; we&#039;ve seen over the last eleven years. I think the nautical term is &quot;he&#039;s making smoke&quot;.

But when you say &quot;Prisoners and their advocates are a natural resource that people don’t mind seeing exploited&quot; you need to discriminate between people who count and people who don&#039;t. The people who count care deeply about prisoners. 

I&#039;ll always remember David Blunkett, master of the strong soundbite, on the suicide of Harold Shipman :

&quot;You wake up and you receive a phone call telling you that Shipman has topped himself. And you think, is it too early to open a bottle?

&quot;Then you discover that everybody&#039;s really upset that he&#039;s done it. So you have to be very cautious in this job, very careful.&quot; 

The &quot;everybody&quot; - the people who administer and make a living from the criminal justice system - are the people who count. The people who don&#039;t, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;d agree, are the punitive morons led by the nose by the Sun and the Mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re doing it again ! And you fall for it every time. Straw has (alas) zero intention of actually doing anything &#8211; I think we share that bit of the diagnosis. </p>
<p>Like Churchill, who rebranded the WW2 &#8220;Communal Feeding Centres&#8221; as &#8220;British Restaurants&#8221; with the words &#8220;everyone associates the word restaurant with a good meal, and they may as well have the name if they cannot have anything else&#8221;, Straw is continuing the grand Nu Lab tradition of talking tough and doing damn-all. Hence the 1,583 &#8220;crackdowns&#8221; and &#8220;blitzes&#8221; we&#8217;ve seen over the last eleven years. I think the nautical term is &#8220;he&#8217;s making smoke&#8221;.</p>
<p>But when you say &#8220;Prisoners and their advocates are a natural resource that people don’t mind seeing exploited&#8221; you need to discriminate between people who count and people who don&#8217;t. The people who count care deeply about prisoners. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll always remember David Blunkett, master of the strong soundbite, on the suicide of Harold Shipman :</p>
<p>&#8220;You wake up and you receive a phone call telling you that Shipman has topped himself. And you think, is it too early to open a bottle?</p>
<p>&#8220;Then you discover that everybody&#8217;s really upset that he&#8217;s done it. So you have to be very cautious in this job, very careful.&#8221; </p>
<p>The &#8220;everybody&#8221; &#8211; the people who administer and make a living from the criminal justice system &#8211; are the people who count. The people who don&#8217;t, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d agree, are the punitive morons led by the nose by the Sun and the Mail.</p>
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		<title>By: mike power</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems perfectly possible to me to both create a humane prison system and an efficient, open and straightforward legal system AND adequately take into account the victims of crime.**  

Anyone who&#039;s spent any time observing the system at work knows that it is largely a game played out by lawyers, police, magistrates and judges in the often cynical and jaded atmosphere of our courts, with little reference to &#039;justice&#039;, the consequences for the convicted (or for the society he ultimately rejoins)  or the feelings of the victims.

**It goes without saying, of course, that Straw has no intention of doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems perfectly possible to me to both create a humane prison system and an efficient, open and straightforward legal system AND adequately take into account the victims of crime.**  </p>
<p>Anyone who&#8217;s spent any time observing the system at work knows that it is largely a game played out by lawyers, police, magistrates and judges in the often cynical and jaded atmosphere of our courts, with little reference to &#8216;justice&#8217;, the consequences for the convicted (or for the society he ultimately rejoins)  or the feelings of the victims.</p>
<p>**It goes without saying, of course, that Straw has no intention of doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent opening to the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent opening to the post!</p>
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